24/7 Stream
Specials & Highlights
First Aired - 09/06/2009 03:30PM
Download MP3 (Full Episode)
Download MP3 (Full Episode)
Hosted By
Sponsored by
This week, Anne Saxelby is joined by two very special guests. Anne Mendelson & Mary Habstritt join the show for a special one-hour discussion on the history of milk trains, milk quality, and the bottling process.
Update Required
To play the media you will need to either update your browser to a recent version or update your Flash plugin.
Cutting The Curd Introduction With Anne Mendelson (12:38)
Tags:
Anne Saxelby, Anne Mendelson, the history of dairy in the city, Picnick, Will Goldfarb, milk trains, different methods of distribution, milk wasn't always this fresh, once milk leaves the animal it is colonized by local bacteria, milk goes sour within a matter of hours, milk was more resistant to unfriendly bacteria invasions, Josephine Baker, child hygiene hero of the New York City Health Department, there used to be a pure milk diet for newborns, we still believe there is something special with fresh milk, milk is not easily digested by many adults, mother's milk, lactase, lactose, a few mutant populations retain lactase resistance through adulthood, Northwestern Europe, North Sea, Great Britain, ability to digest milk as an adult, third world countries are adapting to fresh milk, yogurt, supermarkets there sell milk alongside yogurt, milk in China comes from Australia, fresh un-soured milk is superior for children, cow’s milk, availability of milk in China, sour milk was considered a deadly poison,Mary Habstritt Talks About Milk Trains & The Clean Milk Movement (18:53)
Tags:
Milk Trains, Mary Habstritt, people used to have cows in the city and raise them communally, originally people transported milk with open containers on wagons, milkmen, as farmers moved farther away, things change, whiskey distilleries marketed leftover grain as cattle feed, cows are meant to eat grass, ruminant animal, dairymen would color the milk with chalk, death rate was 96.2 per 1000 children under the age of 5, this number jumped to 136 during the summer, by 1906 the death rate fell to 55, 62.7 in the summer, pure milk movement, checking bacteria levels in milk, consumer push to impose quality standards, patchwork of city ordinances, lack of access to fresh food for lower income families, clean milk, parallels with rest of food supply, cheese and butter, low income recent immigrant, supply at home, inspection took too long, moving milk, Eerie Railroad, fewer than 10 cows, antique stores, decor, 300 cans per car load, illegitimate ways of keeping cows in cities, cows were stabled outside of the distilleries, stay at home mothers used to pasteurize at home, led to industrialization, licensing traders, Lake Eerie,More On Milk Trains (14:19)
Tags:
Sheffield Farms, 150 cows was a big herd, industrial operation, New York & Harlem railroad, the first milk train carried milk to the city in 1832, New York Central, steamboat business, build transportation empire, tycoon, sugar, Electra Havemeyer Webb, transportation and dairy connected by the cosmos, crossing the river was difficult due to weather, spoilage, nobody wants sour milk, trains were fast, creameries, kept milk cans in ice water tanks, milk trains had priority over all other trains, railroad worker strikes, milk travelled as far as 500 miles, New York City used milk trains up until the 1960's, West 125th st pasture still stands, 12,000 dairy stores in the city, stables, restrictions on rubber and gasoline, horse and wagon, Cornelius Vanderbilt, Grand Central Terminal, Lyla Vanderbilt, controlling what is made and how it's moved, train line direct to Manhattan, with milk, timing is sensitive, West Side Rail yards, horses were used right up till the 20th century, Shelburne Farms,Milk: What's In The Bottle? (13:25)
Tags:
urban populations, dairy business, supermarket shelf milk, you don't see the milk itself, only the carton, people used to judge milk by how creamy it was, whole milk was thought to be the most nutritious, skim milk, droplets of milk fat, glass bottle, deep cream lines, niche marketing and profit, homogenize, nostalgia, opaque containers, the demise of milk trains, truck based deliveries, suburbs, World War II, road improvements, interstate highways, delivery trucks could move as fast as trains, trucks promise door to door service, one of the last milk trains ran in 1952, Columbia University, repurposed buildings, warehouses, milk processing plant, West Side Improvement, Riverside park,To comment on this episode click here. There are currently Comments
First Aired - 08/15/2010 12:00PM
Download MP3 (Full Episode)
Download MP3 (Full Episode)
Hosted By
Sponsored by
This week on The Main Course Patrick and Mike sit down with Back Forty's Shanna Pacifico, Erin Fairbanks of Flying Pig Farm, Jeff Mosher of Robert Mondavi Wineries, plus a special guest from Anthology Film Archive. The gang discuss their least favorite aspects of living in NY, the fallibility of Yelpers, and why you can't have a wedding at a winery in Napa. This episode was sponsored by White Oak Pastures.
Photo: Mike Edison, Erin Fairbanks, Shanna Pacifico & Patrick Martins in studio
Update Required
To play the media you will need to either update your browser to a recent version or update your Flash plugin.
The Main Course Introduction (18:19)
Tags:
The Main Course, Patrick Martins, Mike Edison, Erin Fairbanks, Shanna Pacifico, White Oak Pastures, www.whiteoakpastures.com, Zingermans', The Cult of Zingermans, Mostly Mozart, Public Enemy in Central Park, High Brow Low Brow, Savoy, Clown Interrupted, What Drives NYers up the Wall?, Dawdling Tourists, What Annoys Restaurateurs?, Seana hates Yelpers, Yelp Throwdown, if you have a problem with something at the restaurant tell the restaurant not Yelp, walking out soured, most waiters will try to fix things with a smile, no one listens to yelp, Yelp is as important as man on the street interviews, google image search, false food allergies, customer pet peeves, wobbly tables, some people aren't good at the restaurant experience, New York has a culture where the customer is not always right, Cherryholmes, Ma Peche could use a phone number, internet reservations,New Yorker Pet Peeves & The Culture of Pricing at Restaurants (20:24)
Tags:
double decker busses, Roberta's, Brooklyn Grange Farmers Market, cabbies on cell phones, smelly cab drivers, 6.2% of New Yorkers don't like hipsters, 4.1% of New Yorkers hate street fairs, arepas, 2.6% of New Yorkers don't like tip jars, Mike Edison hates silverware at Japanese restaurants, there aren't many women selling Heritage pork, would women be treated different if they were selling meat?, the dudes carrying the pork probably didn't get as much help as the girls, there's a lot of leadership from men in the industry, women are very supported by a lot of top food people, its still mostly male chefs, kitchens are dominated by men still, female TV chefs, Rachel Ray is really dumbing it down, Food Network has digressed, Party Down, behind the scenes catering, $11 hamburger at Back Forty, grass fed, paying a premium for quality product, Momofuku noodle bar, going to the movies is easily $20 a person, there should be a sliding scale for admission at the movies, IMAX, good meals are not expensive, NYC is filled with many terrible restaurants, sustainable food, economy of scale, top 10 dishes in America, mac n cheese, fried chicken, BBQ, pizza,Robert Mondavi Winery Chef Jeff Mosher (21:17)
Tags:
cows are the largest edible livestock, it's hard to move them, Josh Mosher, Napa Valley, Robert Mondavi Winery, trade related, vehicle for selling wine, Robert Mondavi is credited with founding the Napa Valley as a well known wine region, what are the food ethics of the winery?, food museums, what happened with Copia?, the timing wasn't right, the ultimate demise had a lot to do with the financial crash, does a name brand help or hurt wines, Margrit Mondavi, she loves wild strawberries, is Robert still making table wine?, Woodbridge, Private Selection, two wines that are owned by the same company but they are made at a different facility, East Coast vs West Coast, is it more preferably to be a hippie than a hipster?, Northern California movement has always been trying to shed the hippie mantra, Ubuntu, Daniel Patterson, New York hippies are hard working hippies, Robert Mondavi winery was good to Slow Food in its early days, sonoma county does weddings, Mondavi does not,Melinda Shopsin & Andy Lambert Join the Studio (21:14)
Tags:
Melinda Shopsin, Andy Lambert, archivist of the Anthology Film Archives, Andy is in charge of the collections, Shaved Elbows, Robert Downey Sr., there are only 3 prints of the film left, silent film collections, Mars Bar will never die!, Anthology Film Archives is a neighborhood institution, Charles Ludlam, Stony Awards, Dan Hedaya, Jason Mewes, Melinda is producing a documentary about the drug war, War on Drugs, it's a health problem not a crime problem, doctors should make drug policies, marijuana laws are softening, legalizing marijuana, prohibition doesn't work, prescription drugs, crack cocaine, 18 to 1 bill, The Addams Family, The Munsters, The Brady Bunch, where are the great monster sitcoms of today?,Show Wrap Up (8:29)
Tags:
civil inattention, you should never eat a bad slice of pizza in New York, there should be a tourist lane for slow moving people, we need smarter streets, people in New York don't look at street signs, Katy Keiffer is on vacation,Heritage Cooking with Steve Pope (13:20)
Tags:
the begining of fall, Germany, German cookings, Heritage Birds, simple food prepared with a German background, making do with what you have, everything was a rationed commodity during WWII, one of the main staples was chicken because it was easy to grow, chicken is fairly low maintainance, early to mid 40s, the advent of commercialized chickens had not happened in the 40s, old breed indigenous to that part of the country, using a hadnful of this and a pinch of that, the mixture has to feel right, the correct texture, individualism, baked chicken, dumplings are to Germans what spaghetti is to Italians, all Heritage birds you cook low and slow, rediscover old recipes!,To comment on this episode click here. There are currently Comments
